(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
GN[European Woman Go Championship round 4 Ariane Ougier (b,3d) vs Natalia Kovaleva (w,5d) ]PW[Natalia Kovaleva]PB[Ariane Ougier]WR[5d]BR[3d]DT[2019-09-07]EV[European Woman Go Championship round 4]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
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;W[dp]
;B[pp]
;W[dc]
;B[ce]
;W[cd]
;B[de]
;W[fc]C[yuki [4d\]: allez ariane !
]
;B[ci]
;W[nq]
;B[qn]
;W[pq]
;B[qq]
;W[qr]
;B[oq]
;W[pr]
;B[np]
;W[or]
;B[op]
;W[mq]
;B[cn]C[EWGC01 [?\]: Hello everyone. This is round 4 of the European Women CHampionship 2019 in Trier.
EWGC01 [?\]: General tournament info: https://www.eurogofed.org/women/2019.html
nonnon [?\]: allez ariane!!!
JIeBuc [-\]: what's the chance for b to win?
EWGC01 [?\]: or pairings and results, please visit: https://www.instagram.com/konfuziusinstituttrier/
EWGC01 [?\]: We will also have a twitch stream which you can find under: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
JIeBuc [-\]: I think 3d vs 5d still can happen
]
;W[co]
;B[dn]
;W[fp]C[piksieben [8k\]: 2 stones difference should be 86% winning probability for White (according to Wikipedia)
JIeBuc [-\]: wow, there is such info?
Pitolone [6k\]: there is no way to make such comparison
JIeBuc [-\]: does that count rank of person?
piksieben [8k\]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_ranks_and_ratings#Winning_probabilities
]
;B[er]C[JIeBuc [-\]: I'm pretty sure 2 stones on pro level is sure win, but 3-5d still make huge amount of mistakes
JIeBuc [-\]: thx for link
]
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;B[hq]
;W[jq]
;B[ho]
;W[go]
;B[hn]
;W[gn]C[HappyLook [9d\]: few years ago I played against 5d here. I was 5d as well and usually we had like 50-50%, maybe I was losing more often. So one day he declined my game request
HappyLook [9d\]: So I decided to give him 6 stones. That was a ranked game.. .He thought that would be a sure win
HappyLook [9d\]: And he lost :) And he was pretty serious 
HappyLook [9d\]: Ofc its pretty far from pro level, but sometimes you can just misread something 
HappyLook [9d\]: etc
]
;B[gm]C[JIeBuc [-\]: nice
]
;W[hm]C[JIeBuc [-\]: but do you agree 5d is almost begginer?
HappyLook [9d\]: well... It took me 1 year to get 1d. 1 more year to become 2d. Same for 3d. 4 years to make it to 5d. And almost 5 years to promote from 5d to 6d
HappyLook [9d\]: So yes. 5d is begginer :)
HappyLook [9d\]: I think to get real 7d it should take same amount of time and effort as getting 6d from 30k
HappyLook [9d\]: +-
HappyLook [9d\]: (and I mean EGF ranks)
dre: when you're 5d you still have a lot to learn but you're not beginner lol
TheThe [4k\]: rank is just a number
EWGC01 [?\]: General tournament info: https://www.eurogofed.org/women/2019.html
EWGC01 [?\]: pairings and results, please visit: https://www.instagram.com/konfuziusinstituttrier/
EWGC01 [?\]: witch stream which you can find under: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
]
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;W[im]C[JIeBuc [-\]: I suppose that depends on goal
JIeBuc [-\]: scientist who learns universe probably feels he isn't even begginer
JIeBuc [-\]: and rather feels he knows nothing at all
Agon [3k\]: lul
Agon [3k\]: To me begginer is not relative to knowledge or skill
Agon [3k\]: If you begin something you are a begginer
Agon [3k\]: as simple as that
]
;B[kp]C[chagi [?\]: Allez Arianne !
Agon [3k\]: Moreover science is all about dealing with the unknown
]
;W[jr]
;B[jm]C[Agon [3k\]: Since each new knowledge bring more than one questions it is pretty normal that the more we know the greater unkown area is
]
;W[gl]
;B[fm]
;W[fl]C[Agon [3k\]: Et aller arianne bien sur :p
chagi [?\]: Motoki, que dit lizzie ?
evilCat [1d\]: c'est qui lizzie ?
chagi [?\]: j'en sais rien
]
;B[em]C[chagi [?\]: il utilise lizzie pour prédire une victoire selon lui
chagi [?\]: (Motoki,je le connais bien, c un homme sérieux)
Agon [3k\]: J'aime bien la position de noir
]
;W[hk]C[Agon [3k\]: Je sens que blanc va pas develloper tant de poins de plus que ce qu'il a déja ^
]
;B[gp]C[chagi [?\]: ben il a pas grand chose .... :(
LieKolchin [4k\]: noir non plus pour l'instant
]
;W[fo]C[chagi [?\]: pourquoi il réfléchit autant  pour jouer F5 ?
yuki [4d\]: noir a beaucoup plus de potentiel
]
;B[bo]
;W[bp]
;B[do]
;W[cp]
;B[fq]
;W[eq]
;B[bm]C[gosushi3 [3d\]: allez ariane!!!
]
;W[ao]
;B[bn]
;W[gr]
;B[gq]
;W[fr]
;B[hr]
;W[dr]
;B[jk]
;W[ip]
;B[jp]C[motoki [-\]: N 85 pour cent apparemment
]
;W[iq]
;B[hp]C[ben0 [6d\]: noir semble bien la
ben0 [6d\]: mais b6 j'ai pas compris
]
;W[di]C[chagi [?\]: moi c B7 que j'ai pas compris
]
;B[cj]
;W[dh]
;B[ch]
;W[dg]
;B[be]
;W[ii]
;B[pi]
;W[ki]C[Agon [3k\]: pas trop  fan de q11 
]
;B[mc]
;W[rd]C[Lacan [1d\]: crimea joseki
Gor [2d\]: returning stones?
]
;B[qd]
;W[re]
;B[rc]
;W[qg]
;B[rh]
;W[rb]
;B[qc]
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;B[qh]
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;W[mg]
;B[lh]
;W[lg]C[jkhg: M11 would have been enough i think
]
;B[kh]
;W[lj]
;B[mk]
;W[mj]
;B[nj]C[gosushi3 [3d\]: black looks good 
]
;W[lk]
;B[ml]
;W[ll]
;B[mm]
;W[lm]C[pollux1: now big danger for black
pollux1: how to defend both j5 and o11?
gosushi3 [3d\]: since black k12 is sente it looks fine to let white o11
]
;B[ln]C[pollux1: its not fine. Potential black attack on o13 disappears
]
;W[mn]C[gosushi3 [3d\]: yes but still game looks ok for black
]
;B[lo]C[pollux1: I think black should have answered m10 by l2
ben0 [6d\]: not great for b
pollux1: I mean l12
ben0 [6d\]: but at least she got points
]
;W[ni]
;B[oj]
;W[oh]
;B[oi]
;W[mi]C[k0n0 [?\]: b could play N9 to L10?
]
;B[jd]
;W[jg]
;B[hc]
;W[sc]
;B[bc]C[MaewMaew [6d\]: w can attack on m14 
ben0 [6d\]: allez la grande ariane!
]
;W[gd]
;B[hd]
;W[oc]
;B[od]
;W[nc]
;B[nd]
;W[mb]
;B[lc]
;W[pb]
;B[qb]
;W[qa]
;B[lb]
;W[nb]C[GoFree1 [5d\]: S3
Lacan [1d\]: I thought H14 was bigger, but S3 if Lizzie says so
]
;B[ff]
;W[gf]
;B[gg]
;W[hf]
;B[fe]
;W[ge]
;B[fh]C[jkhg: 93% pour noir
gosushi3 [3d\]: allez la
motoki [-\]: j'ai 98 mais mon ordi est pourri
jkhg: entre 98 et 93 ça revient au meme à ce stade là je pense ^^
motoki [-\]: :)
]
;W[ke]
;B[je]C[ben0 [6d\]: et ca semble complique pou perdre la
ben0 [6d\]: faut juste pas mourir en haut
]
;W[hg]
;B[ej]
;W[gh]
;B[fg]
;W[le]
;B[me]
;W[fb]C[yuki [4d\]: q14 ça vit
]
;B[gb]
;W[rq]
;B[qp]C[pollux1: porquoi blanc n'a pas joue r4?
yuki [4d\]: pour pas perdre le sente
pollux1: elle a besoin de timesuji?
]
;W[rp]
;B[ro]C[TblKBA [2d\]: who is ahead?
yuki [4d\]: black
gosushi3 [3d\]: c'est quoi le mieux entre T4 et S4 pr blanc?
ben0 [6d\]: ca sent la chapionne d'europe ça
ben0 [6d\]: championne*
ben0 [6d\]: t4 etait mieux oui
gosushi3 [3d\]: ouai ok
]
;W[cb]C[yuki [4d\]: c'est de famille d'être fort guillaume
]
;B[gi]C[gosushi3 [3d\]: c'est balo je pourrais jamais etre championne moi
]
;W[hi]C[ben0 [6d\]: ni champion
Yezurof [2k\]: Avec un bon docteur, ca passe.
gosushi3 [3d\]: hahha et toc
jkhg: c'est pas dit en 2019 tu peut
ben0 [6d\]: :)
]
;B[eo]
;W[ep]C[gosushi3 [3d\]: pas ben0shame pr rien
]
;B[bb]
;W[ek]
;B[dk]
;W[sh]
;B[si]
;W[sg]
;B[ri]
;W[fi]
;B[gj]C[ben0 [6d\]: ca tente des escroqueries
]
;W[fj]
;B[ei]
;W[fk]C[Lacan [1d\]: Allez la
Lacour [4d\]: ça sent la séquence d'abandon surtout
]
;B[hh]
;W[ik]
;B[gc]
;W[fd]C[ben0 [6d\]: k14
pollux1: ou simplement j12
]
;B[jl]
;W[ih]C[Lacour [4d\]: fallait j12 d'abord ouais
]
;B[gh]
;W[dl]
;B[ck]
;W[io]
;B[in]
;W[la]
;B[ka]
;W[ma]
;B[jb]C[Lacan [1d\]: can white kill the top?
yuki [4d\]: no
dosaku [6k?\]: no
]
;W[el]
;B[jf]
;W[kf]
;B[cc]
;W[db]
;B[dd]
;W[cl]C[ben0 [6d\]: ya genre 25 pts davance
]
;B[bl]
;W[ed]
;B[ee]C[gruvik [1k\]: w is still playing?
]
;W[kd]
;B[kc]C[gosushi3 [3d\]: izii
pollux1: 25 points moins le komi
Lacan [1d\]: soon the scribe will tell us they mixed up the colours
vaurien [2k?\]: is it over ?
vaurien [2k?\]: I mean on the board it looks so
vaurien [2k?\]: bu offiialy ?
vaurien [2k?\]: but*
nonnon [?\]: What's happening? 
LieKolchin [4k\]: don't know ;/
LieKolchin [4k\]: Maybe they left and forgot to give the result ?
]
;W[lq]
;B[if]
;W[ca]
;B[sp]C[KyamiRefur [2d\]: allez ariane !!!
]
(;W[gs])
(;W[sr]
;B[gs]
;W[es]C[vaurien [2k?\]: nani ?
]
(;B[ba]
;W[jo]
;B[ko]
;W[mp]
;B[mo]
;W[ga]
;B[ha]
;W[fa]
;B[jj]
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;B[ph]
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;B[nf]
;W[of]
;B[ne]
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;B[kq]
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;B[hs]
;W[ie]
;B[id]
;W[an]
;B[am]
;W[ap]
;B[fs]
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;B[js]
;W[ks]
;B[ir]
;W[is]
;B[lr]
;W[mr]
;B[js]
;W[ls]
;B[kj]
;W[ig]
;B[is]
;W[dm]
;B[en]
;W[pg]
;B[il]
;W[hl]
;B[bk]
;W[li]
;B[nn]
;W[sq]
;B[so]
;W[km]
;B[kn]
;W[ld]
;B[md]
;W[pc]
;B[ij]
;W[hj]
;B[cm]
;W[gk]
;B[kl]
;W[kk]
;B[lp]
;W[oe]
;B[pe]C[TheThe [4k\]: chinese rules?
]
;W[fn]C[EWGC01 [?\]: Japanese Rules
TheThe [4k\]: thx, confusing moves then
TheThe [4k\]: timesuji or something
EWGC01 [?\]: Black won 20.5. Thank you for your watching!
Lacan [1d\]: un résultat clair !
])))
